Ok had a stab at first post but can't work out how to do spell check so that is a total bummer as I am the worst touch typist ever. Anyway, forgive the spellings and get the jist of the thing I hope... and by the way you will hear more about the knees I'll be bound. If it gets too much then tell me to shut it. and get on with it which is what I reckon most of you proper runners will say. Last comment on the knees for a while ( I promise) ... The knee supports make my legs look fat , they are like a couple of girdles which give me muffin top of the knee. How can that be possible.? Anyway, they are vital if I am going to get to the start of the Holy Grail which is the GNR so I will shut the f.u. Running tomorrow so will let you know how that goes.